Ann Mills-Griffiths’ Straw-man Argument

As was discussed in our last post, POW/MIA son Larry Echanis wrote to the NLF Board perfectly outlining the illegal elections and the family member status that AMG has vicariously given to Susie Harvey and her fourth husband, Allen.   After publishing our post last night, someone was kind enough to send us AMG’s reply to Larry.  You can read AMG’s contemptible response here: Email_from_AMG_to_Larry_Echanis.

AMG tosses the name of Karen McManus into the situation as the Board member who, over the years has been responsible for maintaining changes/updates to the League’s By-Laws.  This is another red herring.  AMG gives the impression that she has no idea what the present By-Laws state on this issue and that Karen will have to take her valuable time to do some “historical research” – which will, of course,  take time away from “the League’s critical mission.”

This is a straw-man argument!  As the former Executive Director of the NLF, AMG should have had a current file readily available of the organization’s By-Laws as a reference.  This would also be necessary when members or the public requested them.  So, the claim that someone is going to have to do all of this research is simply bogus.  Lastly, if AMG is casually admitting that as Executive Director, she never kept a current file of our By-Laws then this would raise some more interesting questions.

Going a step further, the NLF Board just reviewed the existing By-Laws in anticipation of the 2011 annual elections to put together a list of By-Law changes that were part of the voting packet.  Therefore, how can access to the existing By-Laws be considered such a chore and ” require historic research that will drain time and attention from the League’s critical mission?”

AMG’s next argument makes reference to historical changes in NLF membership over the years, including the addition of family members in the KIA/BNR category.  Because we are talking about the status of the missing men, not the relationship between the man and the potential NLF member, we are dealing with another misdirection.  The usage of “extended family members” is interesting because, as Larry so clearly stated in his initial letter, the definition of family member includes only those who are blood or legal family members.  Susie Harvey is neither.  The By-Law section that Larry cited made no mention of “extended family members” and furthermore, as we have stated almost ad nauseam, Susie, upon divorcing her first husband lost her legal status as SSG Geist’s sister-in-law.   Divorce severs all legal ties to your former spouse AND his/her family.

In all reality, the third paragraph of AMG’s rebuttal is at the heart of this entire situation.   AMG feels that because Susie Harvey has worked so hard in the POW/MIA Issue this gives her the right to go against NLF by-laws.  Could AMG simply want to keep one of her foot soldiers on the Board with her?  There are others in the issue who work just as hard as Susie does, yet don’t claim a status that they do not have the right to and still accomplish much good work on behalf of our missing men.  Is AMG implying that Susie can only be effective as a family member?  Should we consider that a slap in the face to those who aren’t family members? Susie can be just as effective, as she has been all these years when she was not on the Board, in her rightful place as an associate member of the NLF.

After all of her years in DC, one would think that AMG would be the last person to simply believe what someone tells her without obtaining verification.  Ann apparently asked Susie for a narrative and took her word for it -bad move-AMG didn’t do her job.   As was stated in our last post, a background search of Susie Lowenthal-Geist-Ragan-Stephens-Harvey shows that she was born in November of 1959.  Per AMG, Susie was active in the POW/MIA issue as early as 1972.  Susie wants us to believe that she was putting her first husband Jeffrey through law school at that time.  We have a few pertinent questions for her.  Since Susie was born in 1959, in 1972 that would have made her all of 12 – 13 years old.  So, are they expecting us to believe that at age 13 Susie was already married to Jeffrey and working as a teacher to put him through law school?

We were happy to do Ann’s job for her.  If you would like to check our research – Here are the steps to follow:

1) Go to  (This site uses various public/vital records and cross references them to give you a list of options)

2) Simply type in SUSIE HARVEY as the name and then use GEORGIA as the state.

3) All of the SUSIE HARVEYs in Georgia are listed by city.  According to Susie’s contact info on the NLF’s website, her mailing address is 902 Mill Court, Savannah, GA. According to Chatham County, Georgia’s Real Property Records, this is one of TWO residences that the Harvey’s own.  The Mill Court address was purchased by Susie Stephens (last name of Susie’s 3rd husband) in 2006 and is still listed as being in her name.

4) Scrolling down the list, once you arrive at Savannah, you will see an address of 8 River Bluff listed.  This is the other property that, according to the County Real Property Records, Susie and Allen purchased in 1999.   See link here: Real Property for Susie Stephens-Harvey.  If you want to trust us, this link shows that in October 1999 Susie and her present husband Allen purchased this property at 8 River Bluff in Savannah, GA.  (It is quite possible that after they were married, Susie added Allen to the property tax records-so Allen as the initial purchaser could be misleading.)

SUSIE E HARVEY Born  Nov 1959     
8 RIVER BLUFF   Neighborhood & Property Report  Record Created: 03/2010
SAVANNAH, GA  31406   (912) 354-4630

Please notice, after Susie’s name is her month and year of birth NOV 1959.  So how could Susie and Jeffrey be husband and wife in 1972 when she was only 13?  Ann, are you listening?

In the next paragraph Ann makes this admission of not following NLF by-laws by stating that, “The dissolution of their marriage did not result in Susie’s being disqualified as a voting League family member, nor has it since.”   If it didn’t, then why not?  Over the years AMG have removed certain women from the Family Member status and downgraded them to associate members when they remarried.  So, why not Susie?  Could it be that AMG also bought into Susie’s claims of being the biological sister of Army SSG Stephen J. Geist and now, not wanting to admit such an egregious error?Is AMG going to fight this battle to the bitter end?

Just a few final thoughts:  The fact has already been made clear that the need for substantive research to track down By-Laws is a straw-man argument.  They were certainly reviewed  prior to the 2011 elections in order to have prepared the proposed By-Law changes that were part of the ballots.   This begs the question, who prepared the proposed By-Law changes?  AMG or the Board?

Lastly, the only reason this issue may cause the NLF to spend money for legal counsel is because AMG refuses to adhere to the By-Laws. She is digging in her heels in a battle that she knows she cannot win in the hopes of wearing people out.  In addition, at the annual meetings AMG claimed that Susie had the right to be a family member because she claims to hold a Power of Attorney for her ex-brother-in-law’s case (a non sequitur).  It was also argued that “once a family member always a family member.”  Well, apparently Ann uses this last argument when it suits her because, as even Larry Echanis stated, his mother lost her family member status when she remarried.  Others did as well.

One would think that with all of the networking that AMG has done over the years in DC that she either would personally know, or have an acquaintance that would know of an attorney, who would look at this issue on a pro-bono basis.    Surely AMG knows this is an option.


Tomorrow: The Supporting Evidence of Susie Harvey posing as an MIA Sister

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